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Should Pennsylvania Secede from the United States?

Petition on official White House website, We The People, has more than 5,000 signatures so far.

The President won a decisive victory but there are still many disgruntled Americans who are not happy with the path Barack Obama has chosen and they want their home states to secede.

Petitions from more than 30 states have been posted on the White House's 'We The People' website - where individuals can post petitions and voice concerns. If a petition gets more than 25,000 electronic signatures then the White House will respond.

A petition for Pennsylvania reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Pennsylvania to withdraw from the United States of America and create a NEW government." On Tuesday morning, Nov. 13 at 11 p.m. there were 5,783 signatures. A second, similarly worded Pennsylvania secession petition has nearly 10,000 signatures.

Texas leads the effort with 63,910 signatures. Lousiana also has more than 25,000.

Of course there are petitions filed in response to these. One that has 560 signatures says: "Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America."

There are unrelated petitions as well. For example, there are 3,866 signatures for a petition calling for the United States to "officially recognize American Sign Language as a community language and a language of instruction in schools."

Another one has 1,237 signatures and asks for "an executive order barring job discrimination based on sexual orientation & gender identity by federal contractors."

So here's your question: Do you think Pennsylvania should secede from the United States? Tell us in the comments.

Geo3 November 14, 2012 at 01:02 PM
Secede??? Have we forgotten that Gettysburg is in Pennsylvania? A bit of maturity is in order.
Ronald Weaver November 14, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Are heading in the wrong direction? I believe so, nonsense to hate people that believe this and want to send them to another land, it is also nonsense and hardly news worthy to talk about seceding from the US. We must work for change within the system. Obama may have won the election mostly because the votes were bought, half the population opposed him, the side mostly that financially provides.
Frank November 14, 2012 at 01:46 PM
Secede and join Sarah Palin's Russia
Stan Zukowski November 14, 2012 at 01:51 PM
You found us out, Ron. Obama bought my vote for $25 cash plus a Dunkin' Donuts gift card. I was hoping for $50 and a Starbucks card, but man, he's a good negotiator. Us welfare folks will take free stuff from anybody as long as we can keep mooching off the hard work of the Republicans.
matt November 14, 2012 at 02:18 PM
maybe to Kenya?
Mary November 14, 2012 at 03:36 PM
Way to go Stan...you are funny!! Love it!!
patty November 14, 2012 at 04:47 PM
The oldest tactic in the book | divide and conquer. Like this country isn't divided enough already.
Scott Alderfer November 14, 2012 at 04:50 PM
I wonder how many of the people who have signed these secession petitions in various states currently walk around with American flag lapel pins and fly the American flag on all of the standard flag holidays. What an extremely disrespectful way for these neo-secessionists to celebrate Veterans Day - by signing a petition to unravel the United States of America. I can only imagine that they are all a bunch of racists who hate Abraham Lincoln for signing the Emancipation Proclamation and who are ticked off that an African American man was just re-elected to the highest office in our land. Where did this neo-secessionist movement originate? Was it Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, or just some grassroots racist Tea Partiers? Either way, I'm sure this story will help Fox News's ratings go up and make more money for Rupert Murdoch.
Stan Zukowski November 14, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Well said.
Ethel November 14, 2012 at 05:02 PM
It's not stupid people,they just feel that a communist government is upon us that is going to destroy America, He cheated especially in the Pennsylvania elections. I am from Columbia county,PA proud Pennsylvanian and I love my freedom rights,and I believe that there shouldn't be this monster of a big government that is coming upon us.
Ethel November 14, 2012 at 05:05 PM
No,we won't leave we will fight for our Commonwealth of PA and our nation, Big government is a danger to our Beautiful Pennsylvania. Communism won't dwell and destroy our beautiful land. The media has been brainwashing you all subliminally since you were all children. They all want to tell you what to do,what to believe,who is the idiot and who is not. Think for yourselves,think about it. With much love, From Columbia County/Conyngham Township
Ethel November 14, 2012 at 05:06 PM
Thank you very much Ronald for saying such truthful words.
Ethel November 14, 2012 at 05:09 PM
I wear my American flag brooch many times,I fly the flag also on my own territory in my home. We the people of the United States just don't want communism and the majority of the beliefs that Obama has are those of a Communist. Communism enters slowly don't enter straight forward. If You love PA as much as I you would defend her against the antagonizing forces of the left.
Ethel November 14, 2012 at 05:11 PM
I'm glad that my county Columbia County voted against him, the majority of the Nation was against him,he rigged the election and bought the vote with free cell phones etc and stuff that he won't be able to keep in a promise. 4 years gone now,all bad,now it would be worse.
Scott Alderfer November 14, 2012 at 05:30 PM
Ethel, the free cell phone program began in 2008. Pres. Obama was not sworn in until January 2009. And the only election fraud I've heard of in PA was in Perry County where a voting machine was registering Obama votes for Romney. And as of noon last Friday, with nearly all votes in, Obama was leading in the popular vote over Romney by 61,173,739 (50.5%) to 58,167,260 (48.0%). Granted, not an overwhelming mandate in the popular vote, but the electoral vote was certainly decisive. The close popular vote, however, is certainly a mandate for both parties to work together over the next four years for the good our our country - all 50 states. Talk of Communism and unsubstantiated accusations of a rigged election hinder us as a united country in healing from the divisive election that dragged our country down over the past two years.
Judy Johnson November 14, 2012 at 05:48 PM
Secession is not a viable option. I believe that it's even being brought up is a sign of frustration of the middle income taxpayer who gets poorer every year.There are not enough wealthy people to pay for Obama's programs.It's the average guy who will be footing the bill. I sincerely hope a equitable agreement can be reached
Stan Zukowski November 14, 2012 at 07:11 PM
I have an idea. Let's stop belly-aching and being whiny babies that it's SO much worse today, boo hoo. Tell that to the people who lived through a Civil War, two World Wars, numerous "military actions," a Great Depression, recessions, a Cold War, 9/11 and so on. So much worse today? End of America? Please. That's patriotism? Giving up on the USA? Let's keep on keeping on, like we always have, and elect a president every four years without an armed revolution, like we always have, and keep complaining about the government, like we always have ~ and quit this ridiculous sky-is-falling rhetoric.
Mike November 14, 2012 at 07:29 PM
There is an addage that applies to this situation.... Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. That being said I have these questions: 1) How many brave young men died, were maimed (physically/emotionally) to fight socialism during WWII? 2) Now that we won the cold war against communism why are we preparing to hand them keys to our nation?
Mike November 14, 2012 at 07:32 PM
Scott, they don't necessarily want to unravel the US of A. Instead, they want to restore what has been taken from them. "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence"
Mike November 14, 2012 at 07:37 PM
Scott, look at the website for the communist party USA and you find out who started the progressive movement that the democrats proclaim so proudly that they are part of. While this country needs to be unified it is more important to understand what we need to be unified against. Communism is STILL a very big threat to the US constitution. If you can't see this then maybe you should continue to stick your head in the sand.
Mike November 14, 2012 at 07:58 PM
Stan, look at the reply I made to Scott above and be aware that the last election was full of election irregularities (i.e. 109 votes submitted in an ohio county for each 100 "eligible" voters, zero votes for Romney in 59 precincts in Philadelphia and election officers that happened to be appointed by a republican being denied access to polling stations in PA [which then proceeded to overwhelming vote Obama]). Those are just 3 issues in 2 states. There are other additional issues that are out on the net that show the possibility that his election may have stolen and if it was that our constitution has been stomped upon. All these issues point to the fact that WE THE PEOPLE need to stand up and call for an investigation and if these irregularities are shown to be true than a new election is called for. I don't expect B. Hussein Obama to allow any such unfettered investigation. Which leaves us back at the point, sucession may be necessary. I don't want to see that as my family has long history of fighting for the US Constitution. From 1861-1987 our family had someone in a US military uniform. I myself have served in US NAVY and am proud of it and deeply angered that this country is so willingly heading towards becoming a communistic nation. I do not understand why people are so willingly giving up their freedoms without a fight. What I see is that the secessionist movement is a backlash against the encrouching communist movement.
Stan Zukowski November 14, 2012 at 08:09 PM
Why is it conservatives think that they are in the majority and can speak for the entire country? Why do you know what's best for everyone? Regardless of conspiracy theories about voter fraud and bought elections, it's pretty clear that this country is divided about 50/50 on what the future should hold. What makes your 50 right and the other 50 wrong? That's pretty damned arrogant.
Maynard G Krebs November 14, 2012 at 08:14 PM
Encroaching communist movement? Oh, come on. Your guy lost. Get over it.
Judy Johnson November 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM
I am sure President Obama is sincere in what he believes is best for the country.I think in the past four years his thin resume' was showing. Lets hope he has learned something and get on with solving the many difficulties our nation is facing.Everybody is going to have to work together, if they don't then we really are in trouble.
Stan Zukowski November 14, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Amen. Couldn't agree more. Work TOGETHER. Solve problems TOGETHER. Stop being divisive. Stop the doom-saying and the silly secession talk. We're cutting off our noses to spite our faces.
Rob Hamill November 15, 2012 at 06:01 PM
Hey Scott, Start thinking in terms of the Revolutionary war here, not the civil war. You are the racist for bringing the race card up. The makers can't support the unlimited takers.
Stan Zukowski November 15, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Mike says "Instead, they want to restore what has been taken from them." What, exactly, has been taken from "them," Mike? Freedom to travel anywhere in the country without showing papers at the state border? Freedom to vote? Freedom to practice whatever religion you want? Freedom to criticize the government without being arrested? Last time I checked, we still have all of those freedoms. And ~ just a guess here ~ "they" probably have a computer, a cell phone, a vehicle or two, cable TV, a refrigerator, electricity, running water, maybe kids going to public school ~ what exactly are "they" lacking? Frankly, all this talk of secession, and America turning Communist, and how evil Barack Obama is ~ it's the kind of whining my 11-year-old does. It's childish and does not reflect reality at all. Are we in a down economy? Sure we are. As we have been in the past, many times since 1776. The difference now is that "they" have given up on America. They say they want the "old" America back, the "good" America ~ but ... really? What old America is that? The America where the only Internet was the public library? The America where black people had separate water fountains? The America where the Midwest became a dustbowl? The America where women stayed at home waiting for their man with his pipe and slippers? The America where millions of young men died in wars fighting overseas? The America where the average life span of males was 60? The America where people died of routine diseases?
Tracie L. Lovett November 17, 2012 at 05:53 AM
^^Hi fives Stan^^!!
shay infantry 2 February 01, 2013 at 12:42 AM
The race comments you all make are ridiculous. Let me state a fact we had our four years of change we had enough. Pennsylvania had its reasons for petition and I believe the state should repetition due to the gun ban in affect. A president who messes with the 2nd amendment should be impeached. Why are we letting the government control all aspects of our thinking? The change we are getting is going to cause a war.
Stan Zukowski February 01, 2013 at 06:34 PM
You've made our point. Your cries of civil war are exactly why we don't want people like you to have automatic weapons. Frankly, I'm not worried about mentally ill people getting automatic weapons. I'm worried about gun nuts who pretend they're patriots stockpiling weapons for some civil war they've been dreaming about so they can use all those guns.


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